Does the emission of semen during conversations take the ruling of repeated looking, or does it take the ruling of emission through thought?

Ejaculation due to repeated looking invalidates the fast according to the Maliki and Hanbali schools, and the person who does it is sinful. However, ejaculation due to mere thought does not invalidate the fast according to the majority of scholars, contrary to the Maliki school. The Hanafi and Shafi'i schools hold that ejaculation of semen (maniy) or prostatic fluid (madhiy) due to looking and thinking does not invalidate the fast, whereas the Maliki and Hanbali schools hold that ejaculation of semen due to prolonged looking invalidates the fast.

If the conversation is visual, then ejaculation here is akin to repeated looking. If it is only audio, then it appears that the ejaculation of semen invalidates the fast, because the conversation takes the ruling of repeated looking, as it can be avoided and is not mere thought, but rather is accompanied by something that incites desire. A fasting person must abstain from whatever invalidates the fast or is likely to invalidate it, such as exciting conversations. He must also distance himself from whatever leads to ejaculation, for fasting is based on abstaining from food and desire for the sake of Allah.