What is the authenticity of the narration attributed to Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, which the Ash'aris used as evidence, and in which it states: "O company of Jews, listen to me and do not mind not asking anyone other than me. Indeed, my Lord, the Almighty and All-Majestic, is the First, who did not emerge from nothing (meaning He has no beginning), nor is He intermingled with anything (meaning He does not indwell in anything), nor is He as the imagination dictates, nor is He a phantom to be sought out (meaning He is not a body), nor is He veiled so as to be contained (meaning no place contains Him), nor did He come into existence after not having been"? Then he said: "Whoever claims that our God is limited has indeed been ignorant of the Creator, the Worshipped One"?
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This narration was mentioned by Al-Dhahabi in his book "Al-Uluw lil-Aliyy Al-Ghaffar," and he said about it: "This is a Munkar (denounced) , and its chain of narration is not authentic." However, it is authentically attributed to Abd al-Warith. Therefore, it cannot be used as a proof.
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